thinking this way when he characterizes it as spontaneity. To think is to will, and to will is to think.

Scientist: Then the statement that the nature of thinking is something other than thinking means that thinking is something other than willing.

Teacher: And that is why, in answer to your question as to what I really wanted from our meditation on the nature of thinking, I replied: I want non-willing.

Scientist: Meanwhile this formulation has proved ambiguous.

Scholar: Non-willing, for one thing, means a willing in such a way as to involve negation, be it even in the sense of a negation which is directed at willing- and renounces it. Non-willing means, therefore: willingly to renounce willing. And the term non-willing means, further, what remains absolutely outside any kind of will.

Scientist: So that it can never be carried out or reached by any willing.

Teacher: But perhaps we come nearer to it by a willing in the first sense of non-willing.

Scholar: You see, then, the two senses of non-willing as standing in a definite relation to each other.

Teacher: Not only do I see this relation, I confess that ever since I have tried to reflect on what moves our conversation, it has claimed my attention, if not challenged me.

Scientist: Am I right if I state the relation of the one sense of non-willing; to the other as follows? You want a non-willing in the sense of a renouncing of willing, so that through this we may release, or at least prepare to release,